Coffee Talk #11: Achievements vs. Trophies — Fight!!!

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Posted by raymond padilla on 26 October 2009 79 Comments

Welcome to Coffee Talk! Let’s start off the day by discussing whatever is on your (nerd chic) mind. Every morning I’ll kick off a discussion and I’m counting on you to participate in it. If you’re not feelin’ my topic, feel free to start a chat with your fellow readers and see where it takes you. Whether you’re talking about videogames, if Lyoto Machida deserved that decision over Shogun Rua, T-Mobile’s new pricing plans, or how awesome it is to have the Yankees in the World Series, Coffee Talk is the place to do it.

First off, kindly vote in the Saved by the Bell poll. It’s important…like very. Now getting back to the topic at hand….

RPad TV Achievement

Achievements and trophies. Trophies and achievements. They’re essentially the same thing — a little pat on the back for doing something in a game. In some cases, the reward is for something you would have done anyway. In others, you’re coerced to play more of a game and/or play it in a different way just to get some meaningless points or symbols. Don’t get me wrong, I love these things. I want them. (Even if I don’t know why.) What I find curious is that some gamers greatly prefer one over the other.

Familiarity might have something to do with it. Microsoft wisely incorporated achievements during the early planning stages of the Xbox 360. By introducing the system on day one, it was able to establish achievements as the norm and get gamers hooked on the whole idea. Sony’s trophies came much later and support hasn’t been consistent. This has changed, but there are some early releases that don’t support trophies. All that aside, some people prefer trophies because they rather have a symbol than a number. Personally, I don’t care either way — I want them all!!! (Unfortunately, I’ve played so many games on debug units and/or under shared accounts that my personal scores suck *sniff*)

On this fine Monday Monday (so good to me), I want to know which system you prefer and why. Are trophies your bag? Or do you dig achievements?


Posted by raymond padilla   @   26 October 2009 79 comments
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LarcenousLaugh says:

@Demon Soul's – I am not that personality type, and frankly the idea of someone popping into my world as I am trying to fend off my own death would just irk the crap out of me. I will let others play this game and tell me of it's awesomeness… there are far too many coming out that I will enjoy and just not have to worry about possibly chucking my remote through the window in frustration.

Arguello says:

One achievement I really wish they would have had was in the new Wolverine game. There was a part, where you ran through a forest in the snow, And you could hang guys on the trees. I spent like 20-30 minutes trying to get a guy on every single branch. I eventually did but sadly only for my entertainment and 0 points. I think it would have been awesome to have a Christmas Tree achievement. I do wish that there was a way to make like gamer challenges, where if I did something cool(not just something I had no control over[like a fluke or a glitch in the game]), if there would be a way to have other people try it.

And on a not gaming note,

Who Dat?

Hrolf says:

I would have liked to see an achievement for collecting every book in Fallout 3.

Thundercracker says:

yeah i hear you man, im broker than leon washington’s fibula

Arguello says:

I think it would be awesome for developers to, go back and add fan-made achievements. It would not only be cool if your suggestion was chosen, but it would help to the replay value of certain games. Like in Crackdown you can find the Big trucks with ramps on the back, that could be an easy little achievement there. Name it something like Mobile Air or whatever and that would be cool. Even in Halo for example, how cool of an achievement would it be, if for a 10 kill streak on a turret and you unlocked an achievement named J.Rambo.

Arguello says:

@hrolf

Pagemaster trophy/achievement would be an awesome name. I find my self to be quite the hoarder in Fallout. I don't know why I need 1200 forks, but I want 'em

Hrolf says:

you need them to sell back when the world rights itself again. Im a garden gnome collector myself. and teddy bears

N8R says:

I hoard the pre-war money.

@Smartguy Congrats on the new job!

@Nightshade386 I look forward to checking it all out!

Random thoughts & stuff:

1) Here's that FIFA Soccer 10 review:
http://www.gamerswishlist.com/news/260-FIFA-Socce

2) If you like Gothic Metal, the new Paradise Lost album is pretty damn good. Good luck finding it in stores though.

3) Who didn't expect Kelly to win in the Saved By the Bell poll. Tiffany Theisen is hot.

4) As a Giants fan living in Arizona, it's been a pretty rough day at the office. Mind you, this time last year Cardinals fans were pretty scarce. Now they're every-f'n-where. I hate fair-weather fans.

jpkmets says:

MMA fans sound like someone shot their dogs over this decision.

boxing laughs and tweets "welcome to the real world" – when this much money is on the table the fighter that doesn't draw better knock the house fighter out. Felix Sturm shares your pain, Shogun, but you ought to know that outlanding and outworking a guy doesn't mean shit if you are the Sturm to his De La Hoya and a fight aginst Mayweather hinges on a decision.

If MMA fans thought their sport would be above this, well, the dream just died.

Achievements rock, btw

SlickyFats says:

I collect the pool balls. Why can't there be a complete set? Also I collect Nuka Colas, even though I never drank one, I just like making them "ice cold". I also don't use the food in the game but I always pick it up and dump it into my fridge.

Wow really sounds dumb and pointless now that I have written it down.

Smartguy says:

@ray

Thanks. I miss being on hiatus though. Good time of year to go fishing, get stuff done lol. Oh well, back to the grind.

Xsnipe2killg4feedX says:

I don't even check my trophies status I only log onto my ps3 just to play games :( )

Hrolf says:

@ SlickyFats

I always wondered if there was a complete set of pool balls. woulda been a cool mini game for your house.

For anyone who's interested, I just posted our Weekly Top Ten article. This week we tackled the top ten RPG's of All Time. Take a look:

http://www.gamerswishlist.com/news/263-The-Top-10

jpkmets says:

ray — re: Williams — he's the most talented boxer I've seen since RJR when he was young. To be that tall yet able to throw so much volume is insane. The fight against Winky is the shit.

Besides heavyweight has had one interesting fight (Ruiz v. Jones) since Lennox retired. I thought he was boring when he was here — but life w/o him is 20 times more painful. All the fun action has been at 160 or lower for the last few years, really.

@jpkmets I do think he's really talented, but some of his fights get a little dull because he lacks power. I'm glad he's (seemingly) unable to make welterweight these days, because that just looked unfair. 154/160 seems more reasonable for him.

And yes, heavyweight fights have been a frickin' joke the last few years. The division has become comical.

rbee90 says:

@rpad

that was a looooooong nap huh?

@rbee90 Nah, I've been up for a long time. Just taking care of a bunch of stuff. Ha!

jpkmets says:

it should be called Kofi talk tomorrow in honor of Kofi Kingston's awesomeness.

jpkmets says:

@raymond stereo — Williams could make 147 he says (I'm a twitter exchanger with him) but I think he'd have to get on his knees to fight mayweather.

I agree he lacks the power that woul dbe ideal. If he had any he would be a dead ringer for Tommy Hearns.

But I don't think anyone at 147 has the bals to fight him. Maybe the loser of Cotto/Pacquiao does it, but williams is such a nice guy and such a scary talent that it's a hell of a risk for any fighter to take him on for probably very little $$$$$$. He needs a signature win which would either mean a tko or a win over a known fighter.

I'd like to see him kick Mosely's ass. PBF will never fight him, but Mosely might not duck him, he's fought everyone worth a damn at his weight classes.

@jpkmets Sugar Shane probably would fight him…and it would be an amazingly stupid thing to do. At this stage of his career, he doesn't need a guy like Paul Williams. Shane has showed that he was problems with taller guys and guys that can jab. That would be an extremely difficult fight for him.

Ieyke says:

I like trophies better because I rather look at the little symbol. That said, I don't really give a crap about either. Why do I need "banana stickers" to make me want to do stuff?
http://bananastickersaremetal.ytmnd.com/
Unlike Dethklok I'm not exactly motivated by the arbitrary.

jpkmets says:

rpad — it would be a difficult fight, but I can see Mosely getting frozen out of other fights because, like williams, he himself is dangerous. But I think that you are correct and this would be like the Vernon Forrest matchup all over again. I think the best bet of getting any Welter to risk this much is a fight with Cotto if he loses to Pacquiao. I think that If PAc loses he obviously still has huge options, including the rematch, but if Cotto loses, people will start to think that maybe they should not just disregard the Margarito fight — and who would be left then? Cotto draws the live gate here in NYC with al the boricuas willing to see him fight, but I don't think he is a huge PPV draw outside of Puerto Rican communities. However, Williams v. Cotto would be a great clash of styles and promise a lot of volume. They would sell out MSG too, I think.

We should promote it!

@jpkemets I thought Los Boricuas broke up.

jpkmets says:

Cotto should have Los Boricuas in his corner against Pacquiaao. Then if he wins, Williams could bring the NOD

@jpkmets And remember, the dude in Los Boricuas — his name is pronounced HAY-SOOS.

Big Blak says:

GIMME ACHIEVEMENTS!

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